@Horre
This is very sad. This forum is certainly the wrong place to argue against the kernel development. Anyway - I am using Linux since 1996 now, used almost all different flavors, finally got to debian because of the cool update mechanism and ended at ubuntu because everything seemed to work out of the box. This kernel-developer attitude of "we want anything pure and do not care about anything else" starts to make me sick. Where is the practical spirit of Linus? I do not care, if my camera matches the kernel developer's view of usb-standards. I do not even care about the standards itself.
If such a huge amount of devices stops working only for the academical reasons of some "we are better then the rest of the world"-people - is it really necessary to use this kernel in ubuntu?
Is it really necessary to break things for possibly thousands of users?
Wouldn't it be better to first list up devices that do not work and then patch the unusual_devs.h and then publish a distribution using this kernel?
I'm using ubuntu for two and a half years now - my camera worked all this time - even in 7.10!!!
Is it really necessary to do such far reaching changes in a productive environment? - I would not be astonished if things stop working after a major upgrade - our world's changing. But I am not amused that ubuntu starts to mirror Microsoft not only regarding the ease of use but also the fact that changes, the use can not judge, are urged within one distribution on the end-user, letting him struggle for the best.
This is definitely not what Ubuntu is promising - especially because it is no singular case! How shall Ubuntu gain percentage on the desktop, if the end-users always have to be afraid, what does not work any more after the next update?
And by the way - this is also no project-management! First implement then test, test, test and only if you are 99% sure break in the productive systems of other people.
And to be not only negative: Is there a way I could help improving the situation in general?
@Horre
This is very sad. This forum is certainly the wrong place to argue against the kernel development. Anyway - I am using Linux since 1996 now, used almost all different flavors, finally got to debian because of the cool update mechanism and ended at ubuntu because everything seemed to work out of the box. This kernel-developer attitude of "we want anything pure and do not care about anything else" starts to make me sick. Where is the practical spirit of Linus? I do not care, if my camera matches the kernel developer's view of usb-standards. I do not even care about the standards itself.
If such a huge amount of devices stops working only for the academical reasons of some "we are better then the rest of the world"-people - is it really necessary to use this kernel in ubuntu?
Is it really necessary to break things for possibly thousands of users?
Wouldn't it be better to first list up devices that do not work and then patch the unusual_devs.h and then publish a distribution using this kernel?
I'm using ubuntu for two and a half years now - my camera worked all this time - even in 7.10!!!
Is it really necessary to do such far reaching changes in a productive environment? - I would not be astonished if things stop working after a major upgrade - our world's changing. But I am not amused that ubuntu starts to mirror Microsoft not only regarding the ease of use but also the fact that changes, the use can not judge, are urged within one distribution on the end-user, letting him struggle for the best.
This is definitely not what Ubuntu is promising - especially because it is no singular case! How shall Ubuntu gain percentage on the desktop, if the end-users always have to be afraid, what does not work any more after the next update?
And by the way - this is also no project-management! First implement then test, test, test and only if you are 99% sure break in the productive systems of other people.
And to be not only negative: Is there a way I could help improving the situation in general?