Comment 6 for bug 161203

Sander:
2007/11/9, Zbigniew Baniewski < <email address hidden> >:
> On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 10:15:00PM +0100, Sander Devrieze wrote:
>
> > ok, ic. so you want an additional popup when automatic reject is
> > enabled (@Mats: text not optimal!):
> > "Subscription request of <contact> will be rejected in:
> > <counter:start=5> secs. If you don't do anything this dialog will be
> > closed and the request will be rejected. Click the following button to
> > accept this request anyway and cancel the rejection.
> > <button:Accept anyway>
> >
> > And maybe something similar for auto-accept?
>
> Maybe good idea - it would be symmetric in such way.

CC'ed to Mats.

> > > My quite personal opinion is, that the Jabber authorization system neither
> > > is especially useful, nor actually there isn't any need for such feature.
> >
> > It's added for privacy reasons AFAIK. Ask stpeter for more details :-)
>
> You know: I understand the intentions - but I tried to diagnose the reality.
>
> > > Anyway: if you want to reach someone by the phone, you're just calling him,
> > > although you don't know his/her actual "presence". If he's near the phone,
> > > and wants to talk with you - he'll answer. If he doesn't want to chat with
> > > you - what's the use in knowing his status? And, at last, if he isn't
> > > currently logged in - will answer later.
> >
> > Well, the idea behind presence is that the one who contacts you can
> > decide if he really needs to contact you. If you are busy, he may want
> > to contact someone else or he may contact you later. But if it is
> > really important, he can decide to contact you anyway. So, the one who
> > contacts you knows before doing that how much time you have to help
> > him. This is a big advantage over telephone.
>
> I wrote the above after the observation of several users of our polish IM
> service, "Gadu-Gadu". Most (OK, not everybody, anyway...) of users are
> switching their status just to "invisible", in such way ignoring the entire
> status reporting system - and this is the simplest way to protect your
> privacy. No need for any "privacy lists", JEP-s, RFC-s...

If I am right, the privacy XEP is obsolete now in favour of privacy
lists (aka communication blocking). Note that privacy lists also allow
other things like dropping messages from contacts without them knowing
it. Not yet supported by Coccinella though...all just some information
:-)

> GG's status
> system has less "levels", than the jabberish

XMPP is eXtensible; it has lot's of "levels" but that doesn't mean you
need to implement them all for the average stupid user. See also
Google Talk for another example ;-)

> - but I noticed, that since
> some time Mats reduced the levels in that rapidly-reachable menu bottom
> left... so, it seems, that most of Coccinella (or even just Jabber-users)
> doesn't need so sophisticated system, preferring simplicity.

Well, there still is the Custom presence state in which the user can
select another state (and message) which is then remembered as recent
state.