freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400

For some days now, my acer 1362LMI (sempron 2800+) can start with the via driver for K8M800.(xserver-xorg-driver-via 33.2 ubuntu4)

However most of the application using opengl (mesa) freeze the computer . This is the case with :
egoboo
tuxracer
some screen savers
torcs

openuniverse and xcompmgr/transset are ok.

I configured the video with dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg with or without framebuffer, and I chose 16bits as color depth. I tested two kernels 2.6.15.21-i386 and 2.6.15.22-k7 with the same result.

glxgears yields around 700 FPS (16bits + Kernel K7)

I can play dvd smoothly

What happens when it freezes? If it is only Xorg lockup, try pressing Alt+F1. Does it help? How often does it freeze, every time you run the mentioned programs, or just sometimes? at the launch time, or after use?

I had issues with my Xorg locking up after prolonged and extensive 3D usage, but it was hardware related (Windows responded with a reboot at the same use cases), most probably that was overheating

The keyboard does not answer (no Alt F1, can't restart gdm too).
It freezes every time I try to start one of the mentionned applications.

I have the same problem on my MSI K8MM-V motherboard with the VIA K8M800 UnichromePro graphics chip -- planetpenquin-racer (aka tuxracer) starts but freezes the computer at the beginning of the race but the sound continues. Ctrl-Alt-Fx does nothing and I am forced to power down.

I also have a MSI KM4AM-V motherboard with the VIA KM400 Unichrome graphics chip. This works fine using the same "via" driver in xorg.conf.

Both computers have a fresh install of dapper beta2.

see that thread
http://wiki.openchrome.org/pipermail/openchrome-users/2006-May/001203.html

The discouraging sentence in that thread is:
">Thomas said that the unichrome part of Mesa is unmaintained. :( "

This bug causes computers with the UnichromePro graphics chip to randomly freeze if Ubuntu Dapper Drake is installed.

Why? Because Dapper Drake is set (by default) to randomly choose a screen saver and several of the screen savers freeze the computer solid. You must power down. Several times I have had corrupted disk space because of this bug.

Nobody is working on this?? It has been six months since this bug was reported.

Could I pay someone to fix this???

Tomy

I am an end-user not a developer. If I knew how to fix this I would certainly help.

I have the same problem. <https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/57062>

Can anyone tell me what the chances are of this getting looked at?

well i think this a serious problem and needs more info to fix the bug.

well i am also unsing this chipset and faceing the same problem. so i am pretty sure this bug report is right!.well we need to repair it fast.

This problem is also very similar to bug #62093

To simplify things for the Ubuntu bug team, I have marked bug #62093 and bug #57062 as duplicates of this report.

I now have what appears to be the same problem with Wine on Edgy.

See bug #68761

It appears Wine now uses 3d, and we will start to see 3d calls in classpath.

I think the bug importance should be escalated. The bug also has security and data integrity implications as this can be used by a userspace program to cause DOS.

I can confirm.

I have a ASUS ASPIRE 1360LM laptop with a Via Unichrome Pro IGP.

The video card is a K8M800 and works very well with 2d applications like photo, web, email, video, ecc...

The problem is when I run 3d applications...

Tha systems freeze and I can'd to anything. No alt+FX, no ssh... nothing!

I can only reboot pressing the power button per some seconds.

I have this problem since Ubuntu Dapper Drake. Now I have Ubuntu Edgy and It's the same.

I've seen this strage kernel messages when I switch from virtual consoles to X:

irq 185: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
 <c0139a14> __report_bad_irq+0x24/0x80 <c01745bd> touch_atime+0x5d/0xb0
 <c0139aef> note_interrupt+0x7f/0x240 <c0139383> handle_IRQ_event+0x33/0x60
 <c0139483> __do_IRQ+0xd3/0x100 <c0105169> do_IRQ+0x19/0x30
 <c010361e> common_interrupt+0x1a/0x20
handlers:
[<c022ba60>] (via_driver_irq_handler+0x0/0x1c0)
Disabling IRQ #185
irq 185: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
 <c0139a14> __report_bad_irq+0x24/0x80 <c0139aef> note_interrupt+0x7f/0x240
 <c0139383> handle_IRQ_event+0x33/0x60 <c0139483> __do_IRQ+0xd3/0x100
 <c0105169> do_IRQ+0x19/0x30 <c010361e> common_interrupt+0x1a/0x20
 <c0101aca> default_idle+0x2a/0x60 <c0101b3c> cpu_idle+0x3c/0x60
 <c04486ce> start_kernel+0x26e/0x320 <c0448210> unknown_bootoption+0x0/0x250
handlers:
[<c022ba60>] (via_driver_irq_handler+0x0/0x1c0)
Disabling IRQ #185

I hope this can be useful...

Same problem.

What should we do ? Protesting at http://forums.viaarena.com/categories.aspx?catid=28&entercat=y

until via decides to release informations to produce a good driver?

I forget to mention that the bug happens under edgy running on an acer 1362LMI K8M800 laptop

Surricani: Your problem with the lost IRQ probably has nothing to do with this bug report. Please check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingIRQProblems
and, if necessary, file a separate bug.

For all the others: It would be helpful if you could have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TriagingXBugs and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration and post your logfiles here. Thanks in advance.

Thanks for the information about IRQ problems... but the problems (about irq) persist. I know, this is another story/bug...

Also the lockup for 3d applications persist.

So, all work fine. 2d is very good... But when I run 3d application the screen become black and the system freeze. I can only press the power button for some seconds and reboot the system. No alt+Fx or remote connection works. It seems that all system stop.

I can't give you a dump or detailed log because I have to reboot the system and nothing is saved.

But I can give you the following information:

lspci

00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.1 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.2 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.3 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.4 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:00.7 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800 Host Bridge
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI bridge [K8T800/K8T890 South]
00:0b.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI7420 CardBus Controller
00:0b.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI7420 CardBus Controller
00:0b.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCI7x20 1394a-2000 OHCI Two-Port PHY/Link-Layer Controller
00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 80)
00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 80)
00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 80)
00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 82)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 ISA Bridge
00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
00:11.6 Communication controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 80)
00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01)

lspci -n:

00:00.0 0600: 1106:0204
00:00.1 0600: 1106:1204
00:00.2 0600: 1106:2204
00:00.3 0600: 1106:3204
00:00.4 0600: 1106:4204
00:00.7 0600: 1106:7204
00:01.0 0604: 1106:b188
00:0b.0 0607: 104c:ac8e
00:0b.1 0607: 104c:ac8e
00:0b.2 0c00: 104c:802e
00:10.0 0c03: 1106:3038 (rev 80)
00:10.1 0c03: 1106:3038 (rev 80)
00:10.2 0c03: 1106:3038 (rev 80)
00:10.3 0c03: 1106:3104 (rev 82)
00:11.0 0601: 1106:3177
00:11.1 0101: 1106:0571 (rev 06)
00:11.5 0401: 1106:3059 (rev 50)
00:11.6 0780: 1106:3068 (rev 80)
00:12.0 0200: 1106:3065 (rev 74)
00:18.0 0600: 1022:1100
00:18.1 0600: 1022:1101
00:18.2 0600: 1022:1102
00:18.3 0600: 1022:1103
01:00.0 0300: 110...

the interrupt problem might be worked around with by using the "irqpoll" kernel command line option. I'll do some research on freedesktop.org bugzilla.

Thanks for the additional info. Judging the bug reports I found at freedesktop.org, I think we can safely confirm this bug. It seems the lost interrupts might have something to do with it actually.

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much activity there. According to the comments at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7456 this seems to be a well-known problem. Unfortunately, the comments also claim nobody's actively maintaining the via unichrome driver at the moment.

As a workaround, you could always use the vesa driver instead of the via one. That would prevent the lock-ups. However, opengl performance would suffer when using the vesa driver.

Btw, you can also paste your logfiles and debug output snippets into files and use the "attach file" option. That makes the comments a wee bit more readable.

Regards, Dominik

I can confirm that the IRQ problem is related to the via driver, because when i set the string

Option "DisableIRQ" "true"

in the xorg.conf the kernel message go away.

Is anyone on this problem?

there is the openchrome project which provides opensource-drivers for the via chipsets (http://www.openchrome.org/). they know about these problems but developement seems quite slow over there.

I have always problems. No 3d with edgy end VIA K8M800

2007/2/13, Georg Duffner <email address hidden>:
> there is the openchrome project which provides opensource-drivers for
> the via chipsets (http://www.openchrome.org/). they know about these
> problems but developement seems quite slow over there.
>
> --
> computer freezes with some applications using 3D
> https://launchpad.net/bugs/43154
>

I've been using the openchrome svn for some time, the problem still persists. Of course this is apparent under every Distro, but this seems to be the only place where such a large number of users have confirmed the issue. I suppose my question should have been, 'are the Ubuntu dev's planning to help, or are we hoping that mesa becomes maintained?'

Tony.

I've come to the conclusion that the sensible solution is to buy a new graphics card.

For those with laptops I accept that that is not much help.

But it does not appear to me that anyone is actively working to fix this problem.

Thats a big Problem, because in Austria ( and possibly in lot more Country's) Computers sold as Linux PC(!) with Asus K8V-MX Motherboard and Mandriva Linux.

People who want to change the Platform and buy an esp chilliGREEN Experience that can't handle 3D will never come back.

Can you try with Feisty Herd5?

Raising severity so that this stands out from the rest of the bugs.

Please someone test Feisty beta?

I've tested it one hour ago...

Same results... :-(

2007/3/25, Timo Aaltonen <email address hidden>:
> Please someone test Feisty beta?
>
> ** Changed in: xserver-xorg-video-via (Ubuntu)
> Status: Confirmed => Needs Info
>
> --
> computer freezes with some applications using 3D
> https://launchpad.net/bugs/43154
>

Is this bug fixed in Feisty?

I don't think.

I tried the beta release but the problem persist.

2007/3/30, gary4gar <email address hidden>:
> Is this bug fixed in Feisty?
>
> --
> computer freezes with some applications using 3D
> https://launchpad.net/bugs/43154
>

^^^^
posted your comment on DRI :)

Thanks, I saw it. I don't have an account there.

:)

Via's new source release gave me a black screen on Debian Etch.

Please try hardy alpha3 livecd, which defaults to openchrome now, and it has a newer mesa which might have a fix for this.

K8M800 laptop still freezes with hardy alpha3. Only tested the 'antinspect' screensaver, it took two seconds to lock up.

Dear Friends,

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   "DECENT VIA GRAPHICS DRIVERS FOR LINUX"

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I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might
agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider
signing yourself.

Best wishes,

Gaurish Sharma

Alpha 4 livecd, freeze when I tried to start F-spot, Via K8M800

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/89467

Hi!

Just to add, same problem here and know X crashes when loging into kde4.

lspci output
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [KM400/A] Chipset Host Bridge
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01)

I'd tried it with -openchrome and -via driver availble in ubuntu repository redering the same results.

uname -a
2.6.22-14-generic

Running Ubuntu 7.10 with kde packages from http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main.

Signing the petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/vialinux/).

See ya.

Hi,

Installed the 0.8 binary driver from www.viaarena.com. Wine, f-spot, and a few 3d apps/games are now working fine, (google earth complains that I only have less than 16mb of video). But I still have 3 major issues:

1. glxinfo yields:
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x22
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x24
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x25
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x26
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x27
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x28
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x29
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2a
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2b
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2c
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2d
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2e
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2f
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x30
libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x31

2. 3d apps and games that require textures locks up X so I have to do ctrl-alt-bckspce.

3. Still no compiz.

lspci | grep VGA
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP (rev 01)

Still buggy in Hardy alpha 5. Xorg was supposed to fix the problem.
And Vesa won't even start (no screen found)

Vote !
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/1313/

Uh, votes mean nothing.. you should need upstream attention, and looking at the upstream bug they are asking for people to help debugging this. So head on to #unichrome (irc channel) on freenode.net, and help the developers.

Iv' just tried re-enabling DRI with Hardy beta. It seems to be working so far. I've tried glxgears, winecfg and the GLMatrix screensaver.

with the new via (0.8) for 7.10 ubuntu i got 3D, and (!) Compiz working (just need to add to whitelist btw...) but with black boarders : (

and i got a problem too, my screen (1440x900) was splitted

and the "superior part" was a mirror from the "Inferior part"

weird problem, with a monitor on VGA port, the monitor was ok. nice to see compiz running...

with that "split" problem i needed to go back to xserver-xorg-driver-via. ~750fps on glxgears need at least 32mb ram to play games with wine/cedega (played starcraft/total annihilation) dont have tested with linux games, i will try xmoto but on old versions i got that problem where X Freezes.

only alt+sysrq+k saves when x freezes.

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Gerson fserve Barreiros
<email address hidden> wrote:
> with the new via (0.8) for 7.10 ubuntu i got 3D, and (!) Compiz working
> (just need to add to whitelist btw...) but with black boarders : (

I'm interested in this; what does "with black borders" mean exactly?

The gpu was even not recognized during Hardy installation (see attached file for lspci output),whereas the graphic cards (K8M800) was detected with gutsy.

glxinfo yields

glxinfo
name of display: :0.0
display: :0 screen: 0
direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2

I modified the xorg.conf file to activate 3D acceleration. The computer still freeze with some 3D app.
The performance of the via driver compared to the vesa driver are poor: glxgears yields around 400FPS with via vs 200 FPS with vesa (acer 1362LMI S3 unichrome Pro K8M800) at 1024x768 24 bits .

Well, I'm getting the issue with n nVidia card. My whole mother board is VIA K8M890CE, so maybe it's the host bridge that's doing it. But if you're thinking of just getting a new gfx card to fix this issue, just beware, it may not fix this.
Man, the frustration!
For quite a while now I was thinking that this was an nVidia issue. Graphics problem... must be the graphics card/driver. But it looks like there's a little more to it than that. 3D games hang my system in matter of seconds and Compiz-Fusion can go for about five minutes... if I'm lucky.
BTW, I signed that petition mentioned a little further back.
Good luck to the rest of you struggling with this.

@Recouper
I have a K8M800 board & i have been using a nVidia card for past 2 years.
No problems faced yet.

Hi, I have a wibrain tablet (chipset vx700) that the producers have put some deb packages for ubuntu 7.04 and 8.04.
They work for all via graphics. The problem is that you will be stuck with the kernel versions that are there.
look at:
http://code.google.com/p/wibrain-b1l/downloads/list
after the instalation the graphics package will modify your xorg.conf to make it work with an lcd of 1024x600, you have to adjust it again.
I can confrm that this packages works with compiz on 7.04 and 8.04
have fun, I know this is not a true solution but better then nothing.

I have removed ubuntu from my acer 1362LMI. Did you try hardy? Does it fix the K8M800 VIA IGP Pro freeze issue?

oops
I meant intrepid ibex

No, the issue it not fixed.
Its not a Ubuntu problem, rather a upstream bug which is not likely to
get fixed soom. it occurs in all linux distros.
Regards,
Gaurish Sharma
www.gaurishsharma.com

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:23 AM, xanmoo <email address hidden> wrote:
> oops
> I meant intrepid ibex
>
> --
> freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/43154
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>

This is even worse for my box, using ibex beta, live cd and installed os freeze when it boots up to the login screen.

it basically justs shows a offblue screen an empty space for the login info and a frozen please wait spin circle (no motion)

If I move the mouse around a lot then suddenly a few of these wait circles appear on the screen (I assume at locationss where the mouse was)

I have tried this in video safe mode, using startx from the command prompt. always ends the same. :(

This box works perfectly with hardy. Isn't there any way to fix it for the ibex release?

if it helps to diagnose:
Gigabyte GA-K8VM800M-R2 FB
AND SEMPRON 2600+ using the UniChrome TM2 onboard graphics

@datatec

Try Using VESA driver.

Regards,
Gaurish Sharma
www.gaurishsharma.com

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:33 PM, datatec <email address hidden> wrote:
> This is even worse for my box, using ibex beta, live cd and installed os
> freeze when it boots up to the login screen.
>
> it basically justs shows a offblue screen an empty space for the login
> info and a frozen please wait spin circle (no motion)
>
> If I move the mouse around a lot then suddenly a few of these wait
> circles appear on the screen (I assume at locationss where the mouse
> was)
>
> I have tried this in video safe mode, using startx from the command
> prompt. always ends the same. :(
>
> This box works perfectly with hardy. Isn't there any way to fix it for
> the ibex release?
>
> if it helps to diagnose:
> Gigabyte GA-K8VM800M-R2 FB
> AND SEMPRON 2600+ using the UniChrome TM2 onboard graphics
>
> --
> freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/43154
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>

Gaurish: whats the easiest way to force it to use the vesa driver?

open for mesa already.

This bug was fixed in the openchrome svn 749. The 3D application will not freeze any more. It use software rendering

Thanks. I no longer have the laptop in question though.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Bartosz<email address hidden> wrote:
> This bug was fixed in the openchrome svn 749. The 3D application will
> not freeze any more. It use software rendering
>
> --
> freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/43154
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of a duplicate bug.
>

--
" Carpe Diem! Rejoice while you are alive;
enjoy the day; live life to the fullest;
make the most of what you have."

- Horace

I appreciate all of the developers' hard work as well, but I no longer have my laptop either.

--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Chris George <email address hidden> wrote:

From: Chris George <email address hidden>
Subject: Re: [Bug 43154] Re: freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400
To: <email address hidden>
Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 9:54 PM

Thanks. I no longer have the laptop in question though.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Bartosz<email address hidden> wrote:
> This bug was fixed in the openchrome svn 749. The 3D application will
> not freeze any more. It use software rendering
>
> --
> freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/43154
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of a duplicate bug.
>

--
" Carpe Diem! Rejoice while you are alive;
enjoy the day; live life to the fullest;
make the most of what you have."

- Horace

--
freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/43154
You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
of a duplicate bug.

Closing as believed-fixed as per the last few comments.

Not fixed.

K8M800 locks up solid with ant-spotlight screensaver in alpha 5.

I have this problem on an new install from:
Ububtu v9.10 desktop amd64 (downloaded 2010-Feb-25)

Is this fixed?
Where can I get the fix?
How do I apply the fix?

-Joshua

I have this problem on an new install from: Ububtu v10.10 desktop amd64 with driver vx800

Open wine freezes when using drivers openchrome not the case with the vesa driver if works well