widelands

frisians need balancing

Bug #1765746 reported by hessenfarmer on 2018-04-20

This bug affects 1 person

Affects		Status	Importance	Assigned to	Milestone
	widelands	Won't Fix	Undecided	hessenfarmer	widelands build21-rc1

Bug Description

the new Frisian tribe needs balancing with regard to the other tribes.

Topics for improvement are:
- buildcost: as the Frisians need a lot of buildings which consume much and expensive materials
- production speed: at least the farm but perhaps other buildings as well are producing to slow
- Training costs: the frisians consume a lot of ressources for training soldiers which is not compensated enough for by recycling.

Other topics might be not discovered yet.

Forum discussion: https://wl.widelands.org/forum/topic/4232/

See original description

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lp://staging/~widelands-dev/widelands/frisian_balancing

Merged into lp://staging/widelands at revision 8736

Klaus Halfmann: Approve (review, compile) on 2018-06-13

Diff: 2639 lines (+229/-173)

54 files modified

data/campaigns/fri01.wmf/scripting/starting_conditions.lua (+2/-1)
data/campaigns/fri01.wmf/scripting/texts.lua (+2/-2)
data/campaigns/fri02.wmf/scripting/starting_conditions.lua (+3/-2)
data/scripting/win_conditions/collectors.lua (+2/-2)
data/tribes/buildings/militarysites/frisians/tower/init.lua (+4/-4)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/aqua_farm/init.lua (+1/-1)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/armor_smithy_large/init.lua (+25/-15)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/armor_smithy_small/init.lua (+18/-8)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/bakery/init.lua (+1/-2)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/barracks/init.lua (+2/-2)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/berry_farm/init.lua (+1/-1)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/brewery/init.lua (+1/-1)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/brick_kiln/init.lua (+7/-7)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/charcoal_kiln/init.lua (+2/-3)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/clay_pit/helptexts.lua (+1/-1)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/clay_pit/init.lua (+5/-7)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/collectors_house/init.lua (+1/-1)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/drinking_hall/init.lua (+1/-1)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/farm/init.lua (+6/-6)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/fishers_house/init.lua (+0/-1)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/foresters_house/init.lua (+1/-1)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/furnace/init.lua (+1/-0)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/honey_bread_bakery/init.lua (+2/-2)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/hunters_house/init.lua (+8/-3)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/mead_brewery/init.lua (+2/-4)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/quarry/init.lua (+1/-1)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/recycling_center/init.lua (+5/-3)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/reed_farm/init.lua (+2/-3)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/reindeer_farm/init.lua (+5/-5)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/scouts_house/init.lua (+3/-3)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/shipyard/init.lua (+4/-4)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/tailors_shop/init.lua (+2/-3)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/weaving_mill/init.lua (+2/-2)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/well/init.lua (+5/-5)
data/tribes/buildings/productionsites/frisians/woodcutters_house/init.lua (+1/-1)
data/tribes/buildings/trainingsites/frisians/training_arena/init.lua (+15/-16)
data/tribes/buildings/trainingsites/frisians/training_camp/helptexts.lua (+1/-1)
data/tribes/buildings/trainingsites/frisians/training_camp/init.lua (+7/-7)
data/tribes/buildings/warehouses/frisians/port/init.lua (+2/-2)
data/tribes/frisians.lua (+3/-2)
data/tribes/init.lua (+2/-1)
data/tribes/scripting/starting_conditions/frisians/fortified_village.lua (+4/-3)
data/tribes/scripting/starting_conditions/frisians/headquarters.lua (+2/-1)
data/tribes/scripting/starting_conditions/frisians/trading_outpost.lua (+2/-1)
data/tribes/scripting/starting_conditions/frisians/village.lua (+2/-1)
data/tribes/wares/shovel/helptexts.lua (+1/-1)
data/tribes/wares/sword_broad/helptexts.lua (+2/-2)
data/tribes/wares/sword_broad/init.lua (+3/-3)
data/tribes/wares/sword_long/helptexts.lua (+1/-1)
data/tribes/workers/frisians/brickmaker/helptexts.lua (+1/-1)
data/tribes/workers/frisians/brickmaker/init.lua (+3/-19)
data/tribes/workers/frisians/claydigger/helptexts.lua (+4/-0)
data/tribes/workers/frisians/claydigger/init.lua (+42/-0)
data/tribes/workers/frisians/farmer/init.lua (+3/-3)

lp://staging/~widelands-dev/widelands/frisian_balancing_2

Merged into lp://staging/widelands at revision 8861

GunChleoc: Approve on 2018-09-29

lp://staging/~widelands-dev/widelands/frisian_balancing_worldsavior_201809

Merged into lp://staging/widelands at revision 8871

Benedikt Straub: Approve (diff) on 2018-10-04

lp://staging/~widelands-dev/widelands/worldsavior-frisians-collectors-fix

Merged into lp://staging/widelands at revision 8889

hessenfarmer: Approve on 2018-10-15

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-04-20:

here are the current costs of training for all tribes
frisians definitely need too much coal and too much gold as well.

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-04-20:

Excel now contains a second Frisian tribe to experiment with
First suggestions to improve the values are marked with yellow

Changed in widelands:
assignee:	nobody → hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz)
tags:	added: balancing

GunChleoc (gunchleoc) on 2018-04-21

tags:	added: tribes
Changed in widelands:
milestone:	none → build20-rc1

GunChleoc (gunchleoc) on 2018-04-21

description:

updated

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-04-24:

Here is the second Excel sheet dealing with the build costs of every tribe. I have accumulated the build costs of every single building. Afterwards I have splitted up refined material in the cheapest basic materials available in the economy. Afterwards I modified the build cost in the following way:

for every size(small Medium Big) or type (warehouse, barracks, etc.) of buildings the needed wares should be comparable due to the resulting build times. The needed basic material should be comparable as well. Therefore I reduced the costs for brick a little.

For the Military I just compared the area conquered with the needed Building material and the current values looked comparable to the other tribes. I just needed to reduce the cost for the frisian tower otherwise it would be a totally useless building.

Only thing missing currently is the number of how many buildings of each type is needed for an economy which will support the production of heroes. In this section I could need some help from advanced players.

Changed in widelands:
status:	New → In Progress

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-04-26:

ok here is the mine efficiency excel. In contrary to the other excel sheets the yellow background does not contain suggestions from my side but spots were I noticed strange values. This is spread all over the tribes and barbarians are not really much worse than the others if we ignore the vallue wares per dug ressource.

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-05-04:

mine efficiency.xlsx Edit (17.7 KiB, application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet)

changed some wrong values due to forum inputs

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-05-04:

as the soldier gets equipped with a second sword and no weapon is scraped the first round of advanced training in the arena doesn't deliver any scrap.

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-05-06:

BuildCost.xlsx Edit (28.9 KiB, application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet)

some small changes to reflect forum discussion

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-05-06:

I got the mechanism of scraping weapons and now wrong corrected that.

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-05-07:

2018-05-07T21.11.14_single_player.wrpl Edit (676.3 KiB, application/octet-stream)

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-05-07:

#10

2018-05-07T21.11.14_single_player.wrpl.wgf Edit (112.9 KiB, application/octet-stream)

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-05-12:

#11

Added some calcualtions about times to produce and to consume weapons and the resulting buildings that need to be build to the training sheet.

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-05-22:

#12

training.xlsx Edit (17.9 KiB, application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet)

small chnage in production time of helmet

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-07-24:

#13

mine efficiency_new.xlsx Edit (22.3 KiB, application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet)

added new mine Efficiency overview incorporating the Changes made by WorldSavior

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-07-25:

#14

training_new.xlsx Edit (18.9 KiB, application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet)

new values about the calculations regarding needed supply of weapons for training sites due to changes in the other tribes weapon production

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-09-20:

#15

excel sheet with vba to calculate soldier fighting values

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-09-21:

#16

Soldiers.xlsm Edit (33.3 KiB, application/vnd.ms-excel.sheet.macroenabled.12)

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hessenfarmer (stephan-lutz) wrote on 2018-09-30:

#17

Although there will be no further commits for b20 I'd like to keep this bug open.
I have retargeted it to b21 though

Changed in widelands:
milestone:	build20-rc1 → build21-rc1

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GunChleoc (gunchleoc) wrote on 2018-09-30:

#18

Agreed!

I also have some new files from WorldSavior that I need to create a branch for.

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GunChleoc (gunchleoc) wrote on 2019-09-16:

#19

Migrated to https://github.com/widelands/widelands/issues/3269

Changed in widelands:
status:	In Progress → Won't Fix

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