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| 2010-01-12 19:49:52 |
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| 2010-01-12 19:51:47 |
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| 2010-01-12 21:56:38 |
Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre |
usb-creator (Ubuntu): status |
New |
Confirmed |
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| 2010-01-12 21:56:55 |
Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre |
usb-creator (Ubuntu): importance |
Undecided |
Low |
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| 2010-01-12 21:59:16 |
Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre |
tags |
apport-bug i386 |
apport-bug i386 regression-potential |
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| 2010-01-12 22:07:22 |
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Feature request: redesign usb-creator to use abstracted device names instead of device paths by default |
Regression: usb-creator stoped using abstracted device names for device paths. This should not be the default. |
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| 2010-01-12 22:13:21 |
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Binary package hint: usb-creator
This is a request to move back to the behavior available before Karmic of using an abstracted device instead of listing /dev/sd[a-z][1-9] devices alongside /dev/sd[a-z]. For the majority of users on the Ubuntu Desktop, this should be simplified as they/we are the largest use case.
There are two use-cases for which this change was introduced in Karmic:
1) .img files for Ubuntu Mobile requires the images to be written directly to the device, and not a partition.
2) Some USB disks come formatted as a single vfat filesystem without a partition table.
The first is a corner case and this needs to be discussed with the Design and Mobile Team.
The second is less important, as the drive can be wiped and a partition table can be created when (re-)formatting the disk (See Bug #296160 for more details).
Steps to reproduce:
1) Open usb-creator in Jaunty and create a usb startup disk.
2) Open usb-creator in Karmic and create a usb startup disk.
3) Compare usability, intuitiveness and ease of use.
Result: Jaunty (previous release - Ubuntu 9.04) wins hands down.
Expected: With development, software should strive to become easier and simpler. This is not true of this change which was made for a the Mobile team and not for a large number of desktop users.
Conclusion:
The reason that the title ends with BY DEFAULT is because there is (all be it, minority) a use case for writing directly to a device. For this one use case we need to have an "Advanced mode" which switches from Abstracted Devices to Device Paths (Device/Partitions). What we should NOT do is alienate all desktop users because of a needed change. The Design and Mobile Team have a talk concerning the redesign of usb-creator. This bug was created in hope to move back to a simple intuitive device abstraction by default.
ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: i386
Date: Tue Jan 12 17:27:11 2010
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.10
NonfreeKernelModules: wl
Package: usb-creator (not installed)
ProcEnviron:
PATH=(custom, user)
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.31-17.54-generic
SourcePackage: usb-creator
Uname: Linux 2.6.31-17-generic i686 |
Binary package hint: usb-creator
A regression was presented in karmic which blocks usability of usb-creator. This bug report is for a move back to the behavior of using an abstracted device instead of listing /dev/sd[a-z][1-9] devices alongside /dev/sd[a-z]. For the majority of users on the Ubuntu Desktop, this should be the default as it is the largest use case.
There are two use-cases/reasons why this change was introduced in Karmic:
1) .img files for Ubuntu Mobile requires the images to be written directly to the device, and not a partition.
2) Some USB disks come formatted as a single vfat filesystem without a partition table.
The first is a corner case and this needs to be discussed with the Design and Mobile Team.
The second is less important, as formating needs to be standardized when (re-)formatting the disk (See Bug #296160 for more details).
Steps to reproduce:
1) Open usb-creator in Jaunty and create a usb startup disk.
2) Open usb-creator in Karmic and create a usb startup disk.
3) Compare usability, intuitiveness and ease of use.
Result: Jaunty (previous release - Ubuntu 9.04) wins hands down.
Expected: With development, software should strive to become easier and simpler. This is not true of this change which was made for a the Mobile team and not for a large number of desktop users.
Conclusion:
The reason that the title ends with "This should not be the default" is because there is (all be it, minority) a use case for writing directly to a device. For this one use case we need to have an "Advanced mode" which switches from Abstracted Devices to Device Paths (Device/Partitions). What we should NOT do is alienate all desktop users because of a needed change. The Design and Mobile Team have a talk concerning the redesign of usb-creator. This bug was created in hope of moving back to a simple intuitive drive abstraction by default for Lucid.
ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: i386
Date: Tue Jan 12 17:27:11 2010
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.10
NonfreeKernelModules: wl
Package: usb-creator (not installed)
ProcEnviron:
PATH=(custom, user)
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.31-17.54-generic
SourcePackage: usb-creator
Uname: Linux 2.6.31-17-generic i686
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| 2010-01-12 22:19:57 |
komputes |
summary |
Regression: usb-creator stoped using abstracted device names for device paths. This should not be the default. |
Regression: usb-creator replaced using abstracted device names by using device paths. This should not be the default. |
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| 2010-01-13 02:02:20 |
komputes |
description |
Binary package hint: usb-creator
A regression was presented in karmic which blocks usability of usb-creator. This bug report is for a move back to the behavior of using an abstracted device instead of listing /dev/sd[a-z][1-9] devices alongside /dev/sd[a-z]. For the majority of users on the Ubuntu Desktop, this should be the default as it is the largest use case.
There are two use-cases/reasons why this change was introduced in Karmic:
1) .img files for Ubuntu Mobile requires the images to be written directly to the device, and not a partition.
2) Some USB disks come formatted as a single vfat filesystem without a partition table.
The first is a corner case and this needs to be discussed with the Design and Mobile Team.
The second is less important, as formating needs to be standardized when (re-)formatting the disk (See Bug #296160 for more details).
Steps to reproduce:
1) Open usb-creator in Jaunty and create a usb startup disk.
2) Open usb-creator in Karmic and create a usb startup disk.
3) Compare usability, intuitiveness and ease of use.
Result: Jaunty (previous release - Ubuntu 9.04) wins hands down.
Expected: With development, software should strive to become easier and simpler. This is not true of this change which was made for a the Mobile team and not for a large number of desktop users.
Conclusion:
The reason that the title ends with "This should not be the default" is because there is (all be it, minority) a use case for writing directly to a device. For this one use case we need to have an "Advanced mode" which switches from Abstracted Devices to Device Paths (Device/Partitions). What we should NOT do is alienate all desktop users because of a needed change. The Design and Mobile Team have a talk concerning the redesign of usb-creator. This bug was created in hope of moving back to a simple intuitive drive abstraction by default for Lucid.
ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: i386
Date: Tue Jan 12 17:27:11 2010
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.10
NonfreeKernelModules: wl
Package: usb-creator (not installed)
ProcEnviron:
PATH=(custom, user)
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.31-17.54-generic
SourcePackage: usb-creator
Uname: Linux 2.6.31-17-generic i686
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Binary package hint: usb-creator
A usability regression was presented in Karmic which complicates the use of usb-creator. This bug limit the functionality of a core application used for Ubuntu installation, and affects many users.
This bug report asks that usb-creator move back to its previous behavior of using an abstracted device instead of listing device paths (/dev/sd[a-z][1-9] alongside /dev/sd[a-z]). For the majority of users on the Ubuntu Desktop abstraction should be the default.
There are two use-cases/reasons why this change was introduced in Karmic:
1) .img files for Ubuntu Mobile requires the images to be written directly to the device, and not a partition.
2) Some USB disks come formatted as a single vfat filesystem without a partition table.
The first is a corner case and this needs to be discussed with the Design and Mobile Team.
The second is less important, as formating needs to be standardized when (re-)formatting the disk (See Bug #296160 for more details).
Steps to reproduce:
1) Open usb-creator in Jaunty and create a usb startup disk.
2) Open usb-creator in Karmic and create a usb startup disk.
3) Compare usability, intuitiveness and ease of use.
Result: Jaunty (previous release - Ubuntu 9.04) wins hands down.
Expected: With development, software should strive to become easier and simpler. This is not true of this change which was made for a the Mobile team and not for a large number of desktop users.
Conclusion:
The reason that the title ends with "This should not be the default" is because there is (all be it, minority) a use case for writing directly to a device. For this one use case we need to have an "Advanced mode" which switches from Abstracted Devices to Device Paths (Device/Partitions). What we should NOT do is alienate all desktop users because of a needed change. The Design and Mobile Team have a talk concerning the redesign of usb-creator. This bug was created in hope of moving back to a simple intuitive drive abstraction by default for Lucid.
ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: i386
Date: Tue Jan 12 17:27:11 2010
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.10
NonfreeKernelModules: wl
Package: usb-creator (not installed)
ProcEnviron:
PATH=(custom, user)
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.31-17.54-generic
SourcePackage: usb-creator
Uname: Linux 2.6.31-17-generic i686
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| 2010-08-24 17:52:31 |
C de-Avillez |
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apport-bug i386 regression-potential |
apport-bug i386 regression-release |
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| 2010-11-17 16:18:48 |
Curtis Hovey |
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