[needs-packaging] StepMania

On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 08:57:13PM +0200, Julien Delange wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-15
> Severity: wishlist
>
> * Package name : stepmania
> Version : 20030705
> Upstream Author : Stepmania Team <email address hidden>
> * URL : http://www.stepmania.com
> * License : GPL
> Description : Show me your moves, with this dancing game
>
> This is a dancing game. You must have some music files on your computer
> to play this game. You can play with a keyboard, but it's better with a
> useful pad.

How's this better than pyddr? This isn't an insult, but rather it would
be nice to know what differentiates this program from pyddr which is a
very similar program already in the archive.

Also the description is kind of corny :)

-Josh

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suggestion. And rather beautifully illustrated, as well..."

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Apologies if this gets sent twice. My mail server took a dive in the
middle of sending it before, I think. I forgot to Cc the bug anyway.

Also, as an upstream author and maintainer of pydance, you can consider
me biased, if you want. On the other hand, the reasons below are the
reasons I'm working on pydance rather than StepMania in the first place.

On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 23:07, Joshua Kwan wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 08:57:13PM +0200, Julien Delange wrote:
> > Package: wnpp
> > Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-15
> > Severity: wishlist
> >
> > * Package name : stepmania
> > Version : 20030705
> > Upstream Author : Stepmania Team <email address hidden>
> > * URL : http://www.stepmania.com
> > * License : GPL
> > Description : Show me your moves, with this dancing game
> >
> > This is a dancing game. You must have some music files on your computer
> > to play this game. You can play with a keyboard, but it's better with a
> > useful pad.
>
> How's this better than pyddr? This isn't an insult, but rather it would
> be nice to know what differentiates this program from pyddr which is a
> very similar program already in the archive.

1. pydance (previously pyddr) is, sum total, less than the size of the
StepMania executable, not including any data files.

2. pydance runs on more platforms, and on systems without OpenGL.

3. pydance doesn't support "double" and "solo" (6 panel) modes, which
StepMania does.

4. StepMania has no songs to distribute with it, so it would have to go
in contrib (it can't read either of pydance's formats).

5. StepMania has considerably better MP3 support than pydance.

6. StepMania is full of graphics that look, to me, like rips of actual
Dance Dance Revolution graphics. If they're not, they definitely are
trying to be as close to them as possible, and using many trademarked
characters and images with no attribution. Unless they have permission
from Konami, this package isn't even suitable for non-free. Also, I
suspect they have sound effects and announcer data that's non-licensed
as well.
--
Joe Wreschnig <email address hidden>

I wrote:
> 4. StepMania has no songs to distribute with it, so it would have to go
> in contrib (it can't read either of pydance's formats).

This remains an issue, but...

> 6. StepMania is full of graphics that look, to me, like rips of actual
> Dance Dance Revolution graphics. If they're not, they definitely are
> trying to be as close to them as possible, and using many trademarked
> characters and images with no attribution. Unless they have permission
> from Konami, this package isn't even suitable for non-free. Also, I
> suspect they have sound effects and announcer data that's non-licensed
> as well.

This conversation (among other things) happened in #stepmania:

(piman) My only real concern is about Debian bug #201448, which is
someone intending to package StepMania for Debian GNU/Linux.
(_Glenn_) Heh. That won't happen for a while; not until we get an
original theme, at least.
(_Glenn_) I'll check on it.
(_Glenn_) I've wanted an original theme for a very long time.
Unfortunately, I'm not an artist so I can do next to nothing to help; so
I can't do much about that.

It could go in contrib/, but it would be pretty useless (no graphics or
sounds at all, which is most of the package).

So, I no longer object to this ITP, assuming it's done *after* the theme
change.
--
Joe Wreschnig <email address hidden>

StepMania has plenty of advantages. However, until it has a free theme,
it's not suitable for inclusion in Debian. This isn't nearly as much
work as, say, making a free data set for Quake, but it still hasn't yet
been done. I'll let you know if it happens, though.

By the way, I hadn't heard anything about this. It's nice to let the
development team of projects know that you're intending to package their
software. For future reference, the appropriate list for that is
<email address hidden>. (Don't send mail to individual developers;
if you do that, nobody else will hear of it.)

--
Glenn Maynard, SM team

On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 04:56:59PM -0500, William F. Reading wrote:
> >So, when I saw the Stepmania release for GNU/Linux, and I was so happy
> >that I want package this software into a Debian Package.
> >But, to do a Debian package, the software have to compile. So, I
> >download the sources of stepmania, and run the configure script, but,
> >it
> >doesn't work !
> >I saw that you use autoconf/automake, and I try to copy some files, but
> >... it doesn't work, and, I can't compile the software.
> >
> >So, if you can send me a version, which can be compiled, it will be
> >very
> >good ;-)

As I pointed out in Debian ITP #201448, it won't be possible to package
StepMania for distribution in Debian for some time, since we don't have a
theme appropriate for main. If you want to package it for general use (not
for inclusion in Debian), that's fine, but I'd recommend waiting for a
release.

I'd suggest that one should have sufficient experience to report problems
correctly--you didn't give any hint of what didn't work--and a good
understanding of build processes and autoconf before making Debian
packages, though.

--
Glenn Maynard

Hello
There are two ITP stepmania entries in BTS. I am going to merge those
entries. Please, make an agreement about packaging/maintaining/co-maintaining
this package.

Regards
 Artur
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 /z pamiętnika administratora/

severity 200715 wishlist
merge 200715 201448
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Hello,

This is an automatic mail sent to close the RFP you have reported or
are involved with.

Your RFP wnpp bug is being closed because of the following reasons:
- It is, as of today, older than 600 days.
- It haven't had any activity recently.
- The amount of ITPs on the Debian BTS is huge and we need to
  clean up a bit the place.

As this an automatic procedure, it could of course have something
wrong and probably it would be closing some bugs that are not
intended by owners and submitters (like you) to be closed, for
example if the RFP is still of your interest, or there has been
some kind of activity around it. In that case, please reopen the
bug, do it, DO IT NOW! (I don't want to be blamed because of
mass closing and not let people know that they can easily reopen
their bugs ;-).

To re-open it, you simply have to mail <email address hidden>
with a body text like this:

reopen 123456
thanks bts

Replacing '123456' for the number of your RFP bug. The subject of the
mail is ignored. Or if you have any kind of problems when dealing with
the BTS, feel free to contact me and I'd be more than happy to help
you on this: <email address hidden>.

This is the first mass wnpp closing that will be done. The next close
will be done on inactive RFPs older than 450 days and finally, the
ones older than 365 days (an automatic script will close *inactive*
RFPs when they reach one year old).

A similar process is being applied to the ITP wnpp bugs in these
days.

Thanks for your cooperation,

 -- David Moreno Garza <email address hidden> Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:54:42 -0500

# hot-babe:
reopen 283578

# exact:
reopen 260283

# archmage:
reopen 313203

# kernel-patch-acpi:
reopen 181716

# stepmania:
reopen 201448

# kolab-server:
reopen 261632

# Au revoir.
thanks

I'm reopening these bugs since they were was closed because of closing
an RFP (on a wnpp cleaning effort). Being merged with active ITPs, made
all of them to be closed.

Sorry for the noise,

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owner 200715 Andrew Lenharth <email address hidden>
owner 203211 Clément Stenac <email address hidden>
owner 204606 Pierre THIERRY <email address hidden>
owner 204969 Marc Haber <email address hidden>
owner 205392 Frank Küster <email address hidden>
owner 206931 Pierre THIERRY <email address hidden>
owner 207636 Idan Sofer <email address hidden>
owner 208692 Jan Wagemakers <email address hidden>
owner 213361 Adam Borowski <email address hidden>
owner 221258 Paul Marques Mota <email address hidden>
owner 221492 Steffen Moeller <email address hidden>
owner 224286 Alejandro Arrieta Rios <email address hidden>
owner 226318 Roberto Cioffi <email address hidden>
owner 226636 Neil McGovern <email address hidden>
owner 229266 Marco Herrn <email address hidden>
thanks

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Thomas Huriaux

What's the current status of this ITP?

Shouldn't #200715 and #201448 be joined?

Miry

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[Cc-ing Glenn since he's expressed interest in this ITP earlier]

On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 02:12:02PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> What's the current status of this ITP?

I don't know what the status of the original submitters, but I'd be quite
ready to take this ITP over if nobody objected. StepMania is now on its way
to getting a free theme -- AFAICS the graphics, animations and music have
been replaced and only a few things (like sound effects) remain, so if the
current progress continues, it could go into the archive quite soon.

I already have prepackages ready (actually, has had for about a year now), but
they're of course still undistributable due to the offending theme material,
and will have to go to experimental as long as we're talking StepMania 4 here.

> Shouldn't #200715 and #201448 be joined?

They already are merged.

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Hi, thanks for your answer,

 --- "Steinar H. Gunderson" <email address hidden> escribió:

> [Cc-ing Glenn since he's expressed interest in this ITP earlier]
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 02:12:02PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> > What's the current status of this ITP?
>
> I don't know what the status of the original submitters, but I'd be quite
> ready to take this ITP over if nobody objected. StepMania is now on its way
> to getting a free theme -- AFAICS the graphics, animations and music have
> been replaced and only a few things (like sound effects) remain, so if the
> current progress continues, it could go into the archive quite soon.
>
> I already have prepackages ready (actually, has had for about a year now),
> but
> they're of course still undistributable due to the offending theme material,
> and will have to go to experimental as long as we're talking StepMania 4
> here.

It's OK. I was quite interested in the package too. I've been packaging it for
myself for a long time too, that's why I asked. In case you're interested in
packaging the game collaboratively, maybe you can count with the Debian Games
Team. Otherwise I'll be waiting for it, it's one of my favourite games :)

Greetings,
Miry

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On Mon, 2006-08-14 at 10:52 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> [Cc-ing Glenn since he's expressed interest in this ITP earlier]
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 02:12:02PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> > What's the current status of this ITP?
>
> I don't know what the status of the original submitters, but I'd be quite
> ready to take this ITP over if nobody objected. StepMania is now on its way
> to getting a free theme -- AFAICS the graphics, animations and music have
> been replaced and only a few things (like sound effects) remain, so if the
> current progress continues, it could go into the archive quite soon.

Please be my guest.

Andrew

> I already have prepackages ready (actually, has had for about a year now), but
> they're of course still undistributable due to the offending theme material,
> and will have to go to experimental as long as we're talking StepMania 4 here.
>
> > Shouldn't #200715 and #201448 be joined?
>
> They already are merged.
>
> /* Steinar */
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I plan to upload version 3.9 to the archive. AFAIK, there shouldn't been ant
problem with the theme, as it is original and, even if it tries to mimig
DDR's, no TM is being enforced.

Please tell me if you have any objections. I want to maintain this game
inside the Debian Games Team, so any of you willing to help is welcome.

Greetings,
Miry

On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 10:22:52PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> I plan to upload version 3.9 to the archive. AFAIK, there shouldn't been
> ant problem with the theme, as it is original and, even if it tries to
> mimig DDR's, no TM is being enforced.

We discussed this on IRC, so I'll just put the short version here for the
bug log: This is completely impossible; 3.9 has lots of music and graphics
which is directly ripped from DDRMAX. 4.0 is probably going to be a lot
better, but last time I checked upstream was not done pruning the tree of
non-distributable elements yet.

FWIW, I'm still interested in maintaining StepMania in Debian, as soon as the
legal stuff is OK.

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2007/7/15, Steinar H. Gunderson <email address hidden>:
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 10:22:52PM +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> > I plan to upload version 3.9 to the archive. AFAIK, there shouldn't been
> > ant problem with the theme, as it is original and, even if it tries to
> > mimig DDR's, no TM is being enforced.
>
> We discussed this on IRC, so I'll just put the short version here for the
> bug log: This is completely impossible; 3.9 has lots of music and graphics
> which is directly ripped from DDRMAX. 4.0 is probably going to be a lot
> better, but last time I checked upstream was not done pruning the tree of
> non-distributable elements yet.
>
> FWIW, I'm still interested in maintaining StepMania in Debian, as soon as
> the
> legal stuff is OK.
>

Yup, as we discussed in IRC, I totally give up StepMania, all yours :)

Miry

I happen to have written source packages for various versions of
stepmania with cdbs-style rules files, hosted at
http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/~sruggier/files/apt/. There are three
versions - one of the 4.0 versions is from a snapshot, and the newest
version is checked directly out of CVS, and has a get-orig-source
target. If the CVS code were stable enough, it might have been
tempting to upload it, but unfortunately, it seems pretty buggy.

On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 02:28:35AM -0400, Simon Ruggier wrote:
> I happen to have written source packages for various versions of
> stepmania with cdbs-style rules files, hosted at
> http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/~sruggier/files/apt/. There are three
> versions - one of the 4.0 versions is from a snapshot, and the newest
> version is checked directly out of CVS, and has a get-orig-source
> target. If the CVS code were stable enough, it might have been
> tempting to upload it, but unfortunately, it seems pretty buggy.

Well, thanks, but the packaging itself is not the problem -- both Miriam and
I already have local packages, and have had for some time. :-)

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On 7/15/07, Steinar H. Gunderson <email address hidden> wrote:
> Well, thanks, but the packaging itself is not the problem -- both Miriam and
> I already have local packages, and have had for some time. :-)

Sorry, I didn't mean to interfere with your efforts, but I thought
that some users would still find a source package useful, even if they
have to build it themselves, and the bug didn't have any other links
to source packages.

# "Orphaning" the ITP - Sesse, Baby, please grab it if you think it
# will eventually be packageable

retitle 200715 RFP: stepmania -- rythm and dancing game
noowner 200715
thanks

#ITP and RFP merged
retitle 201448 RFP: stepmania -- Show me your moves, with this dancing game
#ITP without owner, looks like an RFP
retitle 391887 RFP: freemat -- Mathematics Framework
#ITP without owner, looks like an RFP
retitle 442861 RFP: bundlebuggy -- Tool for tracking merge requests
#RFP marked as pending
retitle 462728 ITP: fusil -- Multi-agent fuzzing system
owner 462728 Pierre Chifflier <email address hidden>
#O and ITA merged together
retitle 454278 ITA: pcmanfm -- an extremely fast and lightweight file manager for X
#ITA without owner
owner 463917 Andrew Lee <email address hidden>
#unparsable owner
owner 464717 Adam C Powell IV <email address hidden>
#s/ / /
retitle 464848 ITP: xserver-xorg-video-openchrome -- Improved Xorg video driver for VIA UniChrome graphics chipsets
#ITP without owner
owner 464863 Matthew Rosewarne <email address hidden>
#wrong severity
severity 464885 wishlist
#ITP without owner
owner 464885 Baptiste Mille-Mathias <email address hidden>
#ITP without owner
owner 464926 Tzafrir Cohen <email address hidden>
#ITP without owner
owner 464927 Tzafrir Cohen <email address hidden>
#ITP without owner
owner 464952 Thomas Bushnell BSG <email address hidden>
#ITP without owner
owner 465124 Enrico Tassi <email address hidden>
#ITP and RFP for the same package
merge 465204 462728
#ITP without owner
owner 465227 Mario Iseli <email address hidden>
#ITP without owner
owner 465271 Christophe Monniez <email address hidden>
#ITP without owner
owner 465372 Aile Filippi <email address hidden>
#ITP without owner
owner 465448 Jeffrey Ratcliffe <email address hidden>
#lowercase package name
retitle 465538 ITP: lynis -- Security auditing tool for Unix based systems
#ITA without owner
owner 465552 LI Daobing <email address hidden>
#ITP without owner
owner 465770 Francis Tyers <email address hidden>
#RFP and ITP for the same package
retitle 465872 ITP: chessdb -- Excellent chess database and analysis software
forcemerge 408118 465872
thanks

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retitle 200715 ITP: stepmania -- rythm and dancing game
owner 200715 "Miriam Ruiz" <email address hidden>
thanks

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#ITP and RFP for the same package
retitle 201448 ITP: stepmania -- Show me your moves, with this dancing game
#ITA without owner
owner 321596 Sikon <email address hidden>
#ITP without owner
owner 458812 Adam C Powell IV <email address hidden>
#RFA and O for the same package
retitle 462839 O: nxtvepg -- Nextview EPG decoder and browser
#ITP without owner
owner 464014 Olivier Berger <email address hidden>
#ITP without owner
owner 465030 Emmet Hikory <email address hidden>
#ITA without owner
owner 465659 Matt Arnold <email address hidden>
#fix package name
retitle 466078 RFP: sourcenav-ng -- source code analysis tool
#ITP without owner
owner 466133 Siegfried-Angel <email address hidden>
#ITP and RFP for the same package
retitle 458220 ITP: uade -- Plays old Amiga audio files through emulation
forcemerge 466188 458220
#wrong severity
severity 466391 wishlist
#too long synopsis: 131 > 80
retitle 466427 RFP: jbig-kit -- a data compression algorithm for bi-level high-resolution images
#big mess
retitle 465426 ITA: bugzilla -- web-based bug tracking system
merge 466601 465426
owner 466601 Salahuddin Pasha <email address hidden>
#ITP without owner
owner 466612 Toby Smithe <email address hidden>
#no package name
retitle 466672 RFP: rhythmbox-bindings -- rhythmbox vala and python bindings
#ITP without owner
owner 466677 Francis Tyers <email address hidden>
#ITP without owner
owner 466678 Francis Tyers <email address hidden>
#s/: / -- /
retitle 466691 ITP: screenruler -- measure objects on screen with a
#ITP without owner
owner 466876 Hideki Yamane <email address hidden>
#lowercase package name
retitle 467085 ITP: astk -- Code_Aster build/control system and front-end
thanks

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Thomas Huriaux

StepMania 4 has now reached alpha (and actually is now at alpha 3 after only
a few days). It has a new theme and is very stable!