So what you're saying Ian is that Juju is accidentally getting things right
here. It's not removing the application (great) but that's due to a failure
in our business logic, rather than because we've correctly identified that
the user attempting to sometime invalid (not great).

On Fri, 24 May 2019 at 11:15, Tim McNamara <email address hidden>
wrote:

> Public bug reported:
>
> When attempting to remove an application that has a consumer, Juju 2.6.2
> generates the following message:
>
> juju remove-application --force -m <saas-model> <app>
> removing application <app> failed: cannot destroy application "<app>":
> state changing too quickly; try again soon
>
> Without the --force option, we present a nicer message:
>
> juju remove-application -m wiki-prod mariadb
> removing application mariadb failed: cannot destroy application "mariadb":
> application is used by 1 offer
>
>
> Steps to reproduce:
>
> Step 1: set up models
>
> juju add-model wiki-prod localhost
> juju deploy mediawiki
> juju deploy --to 0 mariadb
> juju relate mediawiki:db mariadb:db
> juju offer mariadb:db
> juju expose mediawiki
> juju add-model wiki-staging localhost
> juju deploy mediawiki
> juju consume wiki-prod.mariadb
> juju consume wiki-prod.haproxy
> juju relate mediawiki:db mariadb:db
> juju expose mediawiki
>
> Step 2: Attempt to remove model
>
> juju remove-application --force -m wiki-prod mariadb
>
> ** Affects: juju
>      Importance: Medium
>      Assignee: Tim McNamara (tim-clicks)
>          Status: Triaged
>
>
> ** Tags: force remove-application
>
> ** Changed in: juju
>    Importance: High => Medium
>
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> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1830292
>
> Title:
>   juju remove-application --force  prints spurious output when live
>   offer available
>
> Status in juju:
>   Triaged
>
> Bug description:
>   When attempting to remove an application that has a consumer, Juju
>   2.6.2 generates the following message:
>
>   juju remove-application --force -m <saas-model> <app>
>   removing application <app> failed: cannot destroy application "<app>":
> state changing too quickly; try again soon
>
>   Without the --force option, we present a nicer message:
>
>   juju remove-application -m wiki-prod mariadb
>   removing application mariadb failed: cannot destroy application
> "mariadb": application is used by 1 offer
>
>
>   Steps to reproduce:
>
>   Step 1: set up models
>
>   juju add-model wiki-prod localhost
>   juju deploy mediawiki
>   juju deploy --to 0 mariadb
>   juju relate mediawiki:db mariadb:db
>   juju offer mariadb:db
>   juju expose mediawiki
>   juju add-model wiki-staging localhost
>   juju deploy mediawiki
>   juju consume wiki-prod.mariadb
>   juju consume wiki-prod.haproxy
>   juju relate mediawiki:db mariadb:db
>   juju expose mediawiki
>
>   Step 2: Attempt to remove model
>
>   juju remove-application --force -m wiki-prod mariadb
>
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> Launchpad-Notification-Type: bug
> Launchpad-Bug: product=juju; milestone=2.6.3; status=Triaged;
> importance=Medium; <email address hidden>;
> Launchpad-Bug-Tags: force remove-application
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> Launchpad-Bug-Commenters: tim-clicks
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