[nc] Diacritical: Hebrew: ensure combining vowel accents (Nikud) do not touch characters

Bug #647838 reported by Ddorda
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Bug Description

1. Copy and paste this line into the address field of a Web browser:
data:text/html;charset=UTF-8,<p style="font-family:Ubuntu;font-size:64;"> (shlakh, שְׁלַח)(shalakh, שָׁלַח)</p>

2. Change the "64" to other numbers to test different sizes.

Hebrew uses base characters to represent consonant sounds; the vowels when needed to guide pronunciation are added as combining accents, known as Nikud ('נִקּוּד'). Ideally all text should use full accents, but there is a general tendency outside of scholarly works to only add accents when /needed/ for disambiguation.

For example, 'send' (shlakh, שְׁלַח) and 'sent' (shalakh, שָׁלַח) would both be written simply as שלח (in a manner perhaps analogous to "missing off" accents when writing continental Latin-based European languages on an English- or American-layout keyboard (writing rôle/passé as role/passe).

  http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0590.pdf
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikud

These combining accents should not touch the main Hebrew characters when drawn, and should be clear and visible separately.

A further form of accent/cantillation is used in addition for Biblical texts, to indicate how the text should be voiced when sung/chanted and these should also remain clear.

Paul Sladen (sladen)
Changed in ubuntu-font-family:
milestone: none → hebrew
importance: Undecided → Wishlist
status: New → Triaged
Paul Sladen (sladen)
tags: added: uff-diacritical
summary: - Consider Nikud in Hebrew
+ Diacritical: Hebrew: support Nikud (combining vowel accents)
Paul Sladen (sladen)
summary: - Diacritical: Hebrew: support Nikud (combining vowel accents)
+ Diacritical: Hebrew: ensure combining vowel accents (Nikud) do not touch
+ characters
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Paul Sladen (sladen) wrote : Re: Diacritical: Hebrew: ensure combining vowel accents (Nikud) do not touch characters

Ddorda: please could you provide some URLs to known correctly formatted source texts that would be good for stress testing both the vowel accents, and cantillations/te`amim.

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Paul Sladen (sladen)
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Paul Sladen (sladen)
description: updated
Ddorda (ddorda)
description: updated
description: updated
summary: - Diacritical: Hebrew: ensure combining vowel accents (Nikud) do not touch
- characters
+ [nc] Diacritical: Hebrew: ensure combining vowel accents (Nikud) do not
+ touch characters
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Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) wrote :

With any font, once you get small enough, the top of the sh'va in "שְׁ", and the kamatz in "שָׁ", will touch the letters above them. And at some other size, probably even smaller, the two dots in the sh'va will smush together.

So I guess this would be a valid bug report if those two things happen at noticeably larger sizes in Ubuntu than they do in other common UI fonts. At the moment, though, while this is a good summary of a design requirement, it's not really a bug report so long as the available Ubuntu font doesn't cover Hebrew at all.

Changed in ubuntu-font-family:
status: Triaged → New
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