Message: "You need to reboot" after update of not system related packages

Sorry i forgot.

I am on up to date Dapper.

$ LANG=C apt-cache show notification-daemon | grep Version
Version: 0.3.4-0ubuntu7

$ LANG=C apt-cache show update-notifier | grep Version
Version: 0.42.4

Thanks for your bugreport.

what is the output of:
$ mount|grep varrun
and
$ ls -l /var/run/reboot-required

I assume you rebooted between the messages ,) ?

thanks,
 Michael

[OT]
> Thanks for your bugreport.
Thank YOU for caring about my issues. ;)
[/OT]

# mount|grep varrun
varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw)

# ls -l /var/run/reboot-required
ls: /var/run/reboot-required: No such file or directory

> I assume you rebooted between the messages ,) ?

Yeap. I am not an uptime-junkie and shutdown my machine in the evening. ;)

additional information:
Today there way a whole bunch of updates (~145 packages)
update-notifier was in between there.

So now i have installed:
# LANG=C apt-cache show notification-daemon | grep Version
Version: 0.3.4-0ubuntu8

# LANG=C apt-cache show update-notifier | grep Version
Version: 0.42.4

PS.
in the update today there was also hal.
So i rebooted anyway.

But after your rebootet the message appears again? or only after the next update? If after the next update, could you please run the following commands on a terminal:
$ killall update-notifier
$ update-notifier --debug-hooks 1

and send me the output printed on the terminal?

Thanks,
 Michael

> But after your rebootet the message appears again? or only after the next update?

Only after the next upgrade of packages.

Here you go:

$ update-notifier --debug-hooks 1
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: init_already_seen_hooks
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: reading hook_file: /etc/update-notifier/hooks_seen
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: reading hook_file: /home/mbutu/.update-notifier/hooks_seen
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: got: firefox-restart-required 1147021256 0
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: check_update_hooks()
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: reading '/var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/' dir
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: investigating file 'reboot-hook'
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: is_hook_relevant(): reboot-hook
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: found DontShowAfterReboot
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: now: 1148405602 mtime: 1146514080 uptime: 4353,040000
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: diff: 1891522 uptime: 4353,040000
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: not relevant because of reboot: reboot-hook
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: not relevant: 'reboot-hook'
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: investigating file 'firefox-restart-required'
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: is_hook_relevant(): firefox-restart-required
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: found DontShowAfterReboot
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: now: 1148405602 mtime: 1147021256 uptime: 4353,040000
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: diff: 1384346 uptime: 4353,040000
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: not relevant because of reboot: firefox-restart-required
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: not relevant: 'firefox-restart-required'
** (update-notifier:9825): DEBUG: update_tooltip: 80fe2e0

> > But after your rebootet the message appears again? or only after the next update?

> Only after the next upgrade of packages.

I am thinking about this.

After update or upgrade??
Does it make a difference?

Since i get used to do an upgrade right after update when i see it downloads the package Index on update.

OK now i can provide more information.
In the last update/upgrade there was no system related package (in my opinion).

$ sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Building tag database... Done
The following packages will be upgraded:
  example-content firefox firefox-gnome-support gdm gnome-power-manager karbon kchart kexi kformula kivio kivio- data
  koffice koffice-data koffice-libs koshell kpresenter kpresenter-data krita krita-data kspread kthesaurus kugar kword
  kword-data libnspr4 libnss3 libtotem-plparser1 openoffice.org openoffice.org-base openoffice.org-calc
  openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-evolution openoffice.org-gnome openoffice.org-gtk openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-java-common openoffice.org-kde openoffice.org-l10n-en- us openoffice.org-math openoffice.org-writer openoffice.org2-evolution python-uno streamtuner totem totem-gstreamer ttf-arphic-uming ttf-opensymbol update-notifier
[...]

$ ls -l /var/run/reboot-required
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 24.05.06 20:39 /var/run/reboot-required

$ mount|grep varrun
varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw)

$ LANG=C apt-cache show notification-daemon | grep Version
Version: 0.3.4-0ubuntu8

$ LANG=C apt-cache show update-notifier | grep Version
Version: 0.42.5

HTH

PS. if i need to open an other bugreport for this just tell me.

The notification bubble is broken i think.
see screenie attached

screenie of notification bubble

$ update-notifier --debug-hooks 1
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: init_already_seen_hooks
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: reading hook_file: /etc/update-notifier/hooks_seen
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: reading hook_file: /home/mbutu/.update-notifier/hooks_seen
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: got: firefox-restart-required 1147021256 0
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: check_update_hooks()
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: reading '/var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/' dir
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: investigating file 'reboot-hook'
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: is_hook_relevant(): reboot-hook
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: found DontShowAfterReboot
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: now: 1148497671 mtime: 1146514080 uptime: 2465,500000
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: diff: 1983591 uptime: 2465,500000
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: not relevant because of reboot: reboot-hook
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: not relevant: 'reboot-hook'
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: investigating file 'firefox-restart-required'
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: is_hook_relevant(): firefox-restart-required
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: found DontShowAfterReboot
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: now: 1148497671 mtime: 1147021256 uptime: 2465,500000
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: diff: 1476415 uptime: 2465,500000
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: not relevant because of reboot: firefox-restart-required
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: not relevant: 'firefox-restart-required'
** (update-notifier:11742): DEBUG: update_tooltip: 80fe350

*Again more information*

$ LANG=C ls -l /var/run/reboot-required
ls: /var/run/reboot-required: No such file or directory

$ LANG=C sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Building tag database... Done
The following packages will be upgraded:
  openoffice.org openoffice.org-base openoffice.org-calc openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-evolution openoffice.org-gnome openoffice.org-gtk openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-java- common openoffice.org-kde openoffice.org-l10n-en-us openoffice.org-math openoffice.org-writer openoffice.org2-evolution python-uno ttf-opensymbol 18 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
.
.
.

$ LANG=C ls -l /var/run/reboot-required
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 25.05.06 13:24 /var/run/reboot-required

$ mount|grep varrun
varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw)

$ LANG=C apt-cache show notification-daemon | grep Version
Version: 0.3.4-0ubuntu8

$ LANG=C apt-cache show update-notifier | grep Version
Version: 0.42.5

$ update-notifier --debug-hooks 1
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: init_already_seen_hooks
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: reading hook_file: /etc/update-notifier/hooks_seen
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: reading hook_file: /home/mbutu/.update-notifier/hooks_seen
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: got: firefox-restart-required 1147021256 0
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: check_update_hooks()
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: reading '/var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/' dir
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: investigating file 'reboot-hook'
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: is_hook_relevant(): reboot-hook
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: found DontShowAfterReboot
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: now: 1148556711 mtime: 1146514080 uptime: 783,570000
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: diff: 2042631 uptime: 783,570000
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: not relevant because of reboot: reboot-hook
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: not relevant: 'reboot-hook'
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: investigating file 'firefox-restart-required'
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: is_hook_relevant(): firefox-restart-required
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: found DontShowAfterReboot
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: now: 1148556711 mtime: 1147021256 uptime: 783,570000
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: diff: 1535455 uptime: 783,570000
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: not relevant because of reboot: firefox-restart-required
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: not relevant: 'firefox-restart-required'
** (update-notifier:10668): DEBUG: update_tooltip: 80fe3e8

About the Notification bubble.

I have done the upgrade in Console and only after that login into Gnome.
Then the bubble is broken like above.
Whenn i then:

$ killall update-notifier
$ update-notifier --debug-hooks 1

it´s normal again.

Do I get this correct? Whatever you upgrade *after* the upgrade a file /var/run/reboot-required is there, but *before* it was not? Does this also happens when you install some random package:
# apt-get install 3dchess
and/or when you reinstall a random pkg
# apt-get install --reinstall somepkg

?

Is there anything in the log of apt that indicates that one package is in a weird state and its postinst is run for some reason again?

Thanks,
 michael

> Do I get this correct? Whatever you upgrade *after* the
> upgrade a file /var/run/reboot-required is there, but *before* it was not?

Yes therefor i opened this bugreport.

I check this other questions out.

# ls -l /var/run/reboot-required
ls: /var/run/reboot-required: No such file or directory

root@ubuntu2:~ # apt-get install 3dchess
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  xaw3dg
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  3dchess xaw3dg
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 183kB of archives.
.
.
.

root@ubuntu2:~ # ls -l /var/run/reboot-required
ls: /var/run/reboot-required: No such file or directory

# aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Building tag database... Done
The following packages will be REINSTALLED:
  ubuntu-desktop
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 13.5kB of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
.
.
.

root@ubuntu2:~ # ls -l /var/run/reboot-required
ls: /var/run/reboot-required: No such file or directory

As it seems it only hapens on upgrading a package.

/var/log/aptitude should cantain all actions since i reinstalled breezy and upgraded to dapper (about one month ago)

same as with /var/log/aptitude.

I do not get any error or warning a package isn´t installed correct
and i do update/upgrade every day.

Sorry i haven´t noticed before that last log (/var/log/dpkg.log) is quite big (2.8MB).

Thanks a lot for the detailed report and the detailed logs. I have to admit that I'm a bit lost why the 'reboot-required' file is created and what creates it.

> Thanks a lot for the detailed report and the detailed logs.

You are welcome. Thanks for debugging it. ;)

> I have to admit that I'm a bit lost why the 'reboot-required' file is created and what creates it.

Well good to know someone takes care of it,

Sidenote:
I thing this still happens (with feisty - although i have to say i lost his bugreport from my radar).
When it happens next time, i will try to report the steps to reproduce.

"Restart required" seems to happen more and more on Hardy. Is Ubuntu trying to make windows users feel more at home?
Update-notifier should provide a more verbose description of *WHY* a reboot is required, which package caused this. Maybe
an option of "Restart the XYZ service" could replace some of these restarts?

Aaron - Restarts are still limited to packages that absolutely need them after upgrading. Examples include the kernel, dbus and HAL. dbus and HAL can't just be restarted on a live system without breaking everything that uses them.

i never needed to reboot on gentoo fwiw

Closing due to age.
If a similar bug appears in Ubuntu 14.04 please open a new report.